In this episode of As in Heaven, hosts Jim Davis and Michael Graham welcome Andrew Wilson and Glen Scrivener to discuss outside perspectives on dechurching in America, drawing from insights in the U.K., Australia, and Italy to compare and contrast the dechurching movement.
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Episode and topic introduction (0:00)
Losing cultural prestige and normativity in the U.S. (7:02)
The benefits of standing up to the cultural tide (12:25)
The difference between secular traditional and secular progressive (15:39)
Britain, Italy, and the Catholic versus Protestant split (19:03)
David Goodhart and nationalism (22:22)
The difference between exile and sojourning (25:49)
What will be the state of the church in 2024? (35:40)
Final thoughts and encouragement (41:20)
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